Delta Queen's Arrival in Chattanooga

I find it interesting that they are using what I thought was a trademark of Delaware North, the "inc." oval logo...and it appears that they want to rent ALL the staterooms, should be interesting for them to rent out the "g's"...And some of the staterooms are shown with pre-1000 count linen and the mundane non-pillowtop mattresses, though I suspect the fancy stuff was included in the lease, and the pictures with old stuff are leftover from the goodal days.

And the four entertainers shown, 2 guys, 2 gals? That was the entertainment from the MQ on our very first steamboat cruise in 2000, the picture is of the MQ's Grand Saloon. The entertainment guy on the left...looks familiar...

And in my continuation of being a jerk here, some pictures of the boat are printed backwards and one picture is of the AQ...

Poker?

Bruno Krause;15635 wrote:
And the four entertainers shown, 2 guys, 2 gals? That was the entertainment from the MQ on our very first steamboat cruise in 2000, the picture is of the MQ's Grand Saloon. The entertainment guy on the left...looks familiar...

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B,

That's Eric Hadley in the picture. Not quite sure about the other 3.

Paul

Thanks Paul, I had Eric down...the one girl is Roxanne Kraemer (darker haired girl in the pink) per Steamboatin' Events, On Board the Mississippi Queen, June 6, 2000.

That trademark was there long before Deleware North. That dates back to the original DQSB days and even before American Classic Voyages.

Very interesting, indeed. How well the entire deal works out depends on their marketing plan. But honestly, I've had mixed feelings since hearing of the Chattanooga deal.

The man behind it is well known for historic preservation and similar initiatives, which I think is a plus. However, as someone who travels to Chattanooga frequently, I'm not convinced that it's the best place for the Delta Queen Hotel. The locale will most likely put it out of financial reach for many people.

This is all just my opinion, but Chattanooga is the priciest vacation city I've ever been to. Their attractions, and even hotels to an extent, are very pricey. Additionally, there is a huge problem with panhandlers there.

I am anxiously awaiting their list of room rates; I am hoping to finally be able to step aboard!

JLee, you're sorta right...the two logos at first glance look the same, but...the oval logo with Delta Queen Steamboat Company Inc. was exclusively Delaware North. If the Inc. is missing and the company name across the top of the logo ends with the simple "Company", it's pre-Delaware North, i.e. ACV and before. I use this as an indication of how old a DQ souvenir or DQ printed material is, for example.

The DQSC logo in question first showed up in 1990 for the Centenary Celebration. There have been a few changes made until MAL dropped it. Bruno mentioned one about D.N. adding the "Inc." My least favorite alteration, and it has always bothered me, is in 1990 you could not see the DQ's paddlewheel in the logo. Now you can. Some marketing person wanted the wheel to show, and a few short years later it was drawn in. That's fine, but from the prospective that the boat is drawn the wheel would not be visable. It's all about prospective, and having the wheel show in a three-quarters head on view just ain't right!

RE: DQ 'logo/trademark etc.'
Hi Frank & steamboating colleagues:
Thanks for you and others 'refreshing' our minds about the DQSB CO. 'logo' etc. going back now so many years. Right you are. I'm vague but also 'think' the company then had this logo cast in a kind of metal [Bronze?].

Corporate logos, trade marks, slogans, advertising, color designs etc. are, as stated earlier by me, protected by either the notation 'Inc' or under the symbol (R) as a registered Trademark similar to (C) Copyright for created writings. The (R) falls legally under state and U.S. Federal trade protection. They can be resurrected and recycled for use if done so under corporate agreements. Some companies hold to their (R) logos etc. for generations while others do change periodically to meet new marketing/sales needs. Those in/around blue water cruise ships remember the famed PRINCESS CRUISE LINE logo etc. based on "The Love Boat" theme.
Well, what do I know?

Coal Haven Landing, Ohio River.

Name That Entertainer

Bruno Krause;15637 wrote: Thanks Paul, I had Eric down...the one girl is Roxanne Kraemer (darker haired girl in the pink) per Steamboatin' Events, On Board the Mississippi Queen, June 6, 2000.

I think the lady to the right of Eric is Laura Seable...

Logo trivia

JLee Baer;15646 wrote: That trademark was there long before Deleware North. That dates back to the original DQSB days and even before American Classic Voyages.

Yep, the "original" DQSC was styled "The Delta Queen Steamboat Co." and when DNC bought it they changed it to "DQSC, Inc." If only that had been ALL that they changed...

It was indeed cast in bronze. It was then placed in a groove on a piece of bucket board. I think the one I have was given to all returning crew one season. They used to give us some nice "loot" every year during the 1990's.

I recevied a reply to a request for a reservation at the DQ Hotel with the price list for the rooms. Reasonable rates I think, see the attached file.

Mike, thanks!

Now from what I gather, the meals and shows are up and above this room cost. But, I agree this isn't that bad, but Deb and I are totally biased toward the costs, et al!...and now thinking about a trip to Chattanooga...

You know, I'm still not getting it...Bear with me, the Delta Queen Hotel can now sleep all 176 overnight guests and is still capable of moving under her own power in the future...I'm sorry, how the frit is this new "hotel" now on the legal side with SOLAS? What is the difference, this versus the Delta Queen stopping to choke a stump every night, with the same 176?

I know! It's a Coast Guard thing and I shouldn't ask questions...

Keith Tinnin;15663 wrote: It was indeed cast in bronze. It was then placed in a groove on a piece of bucket board. I think the one I have was given to all returning crew one season. They used to give us some nice "loot" every year during the 1990's.

Yeah, Keith. I'm still waiting for my safety jacket for 2001. :O)

Paul

Bruno,

I'm with you, I just don't understand what the difference is. Which begs the question, will there be a team of employees aboard who are trained in firefighting and capable of fighting fires at a moment's notice 24/7, as is the case when she is running? If not, how far away is the nearest fire station? The answer to these questions could indicate that she may very well be safer when under way.

I'm with both of you on this, it beats the heck outta me what the difference is. My wife and I are planning an early May trip to Chattanoga know where we'll be staying but I would feel much safer if the crew were on board but at least we'll get to stay on her again.

RE: DQ hotel/all 'inclusive.'
Hi, Bruno, Anthony, Mike:
Good questions and comments on what the DQ 'boatel' operation will be like. Many basic room [May we still call them cabins?] are not 'inclusive' with meals, entertainment, possible bar/refreshments tabs. Operations vary. Check the web site for the DELTA KING in Sacramento.

The QUEEN will be licensed and has to conform to basic safety regulations similar to all other land-based resort facilities. My experience in many hotels/resorts is that the staff has been trained in procedures for all contingencies. May not appear that way at first but they are very aware of all during their working hours. No doubt there will be on-board security similar to any large hotel etc.

Now, here's a question from me: Once the QUEEN lands and is firmly secured with water supply, sewage and whatever power needs either aboard or from land, will the remaining bunker oil in her tanks have to be pumped out? Will the calliope remain aboard and if so--and played--will they use steam or compressed air? Just stupid questions on my part.
Well, what do I know?

Coal Haven Landing, Ohio River.

Auxiliary boiler for the whistle and calliope, so I hear.

Hope the HVAC Engineer that sizes that Auxiliary boiler makes it big enough to handle Domestic Hot Water and one other little item...

Heat... for the upper deck stateroom HVAC systems. Trust me...any time the outside temperature is below about 60... the way that system is set up, it will require heat.

So where is (or was) the whistle on the last run trip?

I guess someone needs to find the whistle? During the trip this weekend I never heard the whistle and a side view near the stack seems to show it is missing. see below attachment... All we ever heard was what sounded like an airhorn

Judy Patsch;15695 wrote: Auxiliary boiler for the whistle and calliope, so I hear.

These same questions are on my mind and hopefully we will hear the straight skinny instead of so many WAGS.

The Delta Queen has arrived in Chattanooga around 12:15am EST.

I just happened to find a DOT camera pointed at the US-27 bridge when she went under it.

Pat,

Seems like I caught her at the same bridge but on another webcam (see the other thread).

Carmen

Bruno,

In short, unfortunately sewage and water will have to be piped. I'm not sure what will happen with the fuel considering it is in an actual fuel tank and the boilers can used for heat. Oil fired boilers in industrial applications are not uncommon.

Here are a few things I posted the other blog.
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I'm sorry I can't remain silent any longer. I do this a living and I don't understand how this is going to work. To take the boat and tie up shore side and just open the doors is not really feasible. This notion that no structural changes will be made is insane and not totally true. There are so many tings about the boat that would have to be done in order to follow local and state laws. The cost alone would very high. For Ambassadors to say that no changes will take place is ridiculous.

First off for the to be exempt from Coast Guard inspection it will have to be permanent moored, not tied off to a landing with just lines. Permanently mooring the boat will take any grandfather clauses the boat has before or beyond SOLAS. This means even with an exemption the Coast Guard would have grant another grandfather status for clauses. That is not likely to happen. In order to keep it ability to be reinstated for full passenger capacity once an exemption or ruling is made on the SOLAS question the boat will have to remain “In Service” on the CG MISLE system. Once a vessel is taken “out of service” on the system the vessel is then subject to all the rules for a new vessel coming into service. If the boat is permanently moored to take the CG out the picture the boat will lose its “In Service” status. This would be a final death sentence. Even with an exemption the boat would not be allowed to run until it meets current rules. An exemption would be worthless!

Even more problems.....

Things like the plumbing of the boat will have to meet state guidelines. This would not be a real problem for making a shore connection for water, but sewage is where the problems start. Current the boat has its sewage separated between what is called black water and grey water. Grey water is water that drains from the sinks and showers. Grey water simply drains over board, but not all the drain lines come into a common drain. In order to meet health codes all grey water drains will have to piped to a common line and then piped to a tank with an automatic pump to go ashore. This alone will be a huge undertaking. Pipes on vessels have to done by Pipe Fitters not Plumbers. Plumbing lines on boats and ships have to be steel pipe not PVC from Lowes.

Black water is, well the other sewage (yucky!). Even thought the boat has an MSD (Marine Sanitation Device) unit this will not be acceptable under state guidelines. Even though it could be used a shoe connection would have to be made to pump it shore side. Most MSD’s are built to utilize gravity for treated water to go overboard. So another tank would have to be added for grey and black to eventually drain to and then pumped ashore. Nothing would be allowed to go overboard except rain water. Thank God it is not going to Florida or the Alabama Coast, because there even rain water has to be collected and sent ashore! ( As you see the Coast Guard is a little more forgiving when than the State.)

Here comes a really BIG ONE!!!

Building Codes...

The boat will be subject to all state and local building codes, fire codes and electrical codes. I would venture to say fire and electrical codes would not be problem, but building codes more than likely.

As far a building material we all know from arguments that have been made here, or just driving down the road watching a new hotel or building going up, that the wood superstructure is not a problem. However, I would think that Tennessee like most states have requirements mandating the minium size of a hotel. Think about that for a minute. Some of the cabins are the size of a closet. These rooms would have to be made bigger or not be used to meet the law. If the rooms are made bigger here would have another structural change not approved by the Coast Guard and also once again going against what we have been told by Ambassadors that no significant changes will be made.

I think that this idea of becoming a hotel ridiculous and will be the final nail in the coffin. I think that Ambassadors knows this but the gentleman in Chattanooga does not know what he is in for the is a big difference between the DQ and a water taxi! I don’t know but I wish him the best of luck. I do think that if the Delta Queen receives an exemption will have any value. All the changes will be made to the point the CG will be able to legally keep it from running. And when everyone starts pointing I think Ambassadors will use this guy as a scape goat as to why the DQ can’t be put back in to service.

Just an opinion, but what do I know I just do this for a living.