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26/02/2007 3:52 pm
Dear steamboating colleagues:
The discussion Re: JACOB STRADER's boiler and stack arrangement rang a feeble bell in my mind here. I clawed through my 'dusty boxes' and...YIKES!...found an old 'cut' 6 & 1/4 inch X 3 & 1/4 inch of the JACOB STRADER titled 'A Model Western Boat' finely rendered in black ink on white paper with much detail. The view of the STRADER is the starboard side in full profile. The paddle boxes are emblazoned with CINCINNATI U.S. MAIL LINE - LOW PRESSURE. Her stacks are shown 'behind' the pilothouse and little figures appear to be firing the boilers on the aft end. The STRADER's upper or cabin deck was also noted for being partially enclosed with glass windows similar to the much later CAPE GIRARDEAU/GORDON C. GREENE. On the STRADER's bow, where the usual staircase is located leading up to the cabin, is shown an unusual structure with windows like a green house. This could have been a kind of entry on 'monkey deck' structure and most remarkable.
I went to 'LLOYD'S STEAMBOAT DIRECTORY and DISASTERS on the WESTERN WATERS, 1856' and there on Pg. 128 is the same cut of the STRADER. The artist or printer is named as 'Scattergood' [*Something like that.]
Fred Way's WAYS' PACKET DIRECTORY on Pg. 239 Entry No: 2915 includes a complete 'bio' of the boat and mentions "Her original boilers replaced in 1860 with five-16-flue boilers, each 63" diameter by 38 feet. Her stacks were placed forward when this exchange was made."
I recall over the years seeing two surviving photo images of the STRADER. One I know is curretly at the Inland Rivers Library, Cincinnati Public Library, Cincinnati. It appeared on their web site for a time but I can't call it up at this date for viewing. The late artist Dorothy Frye did a stellar painting of the STRADER now at the Cincinnati Historical Society courtesy of Joan and Jack Strader of Cincinnati. The painting is now on view at the Historical Society at Union Terminal complex here via the efforts of M'Lissa and Rick Kesterman for a current show. *See the S&D REFLECTOR, March, 1966 issue Pgs. 16/17. I'll try to get a decent scan and see if I can forward for posting in time. Well, what do I know?
Cheers,
R. Dale Flick
26/02/2007 4:21 pm
1853, or so, Photo
Here's an 1853, or so, photograph said to be taken at the Cincy yard where the STRADER was built. The link will take you as close-up as you will ever get. It does looks like she was fired from aft end of the boiler in this shot.
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26/02/2007 4:37 pm
Hey, Shipyard:
WHOOWZER! thanks for 'finding' and pulling the STRADER photo up for posting and sharing. That's the one, alright. I 'fiddled' here trying to get into it with no luck. Now, by chance do you have a photo of the STRADER painting as rendered by our late friend Dorothy Frye?
Cheers,
R. Dale Flick
26/02/2007 4:39 pm
There is a photo of Dorothea's STRADER painting on here. I posted it among her other paintings, but I don't remember the thread name.
26/02/2007 4:50 pm
Dorothea's STRADER painting
Here it is again, Dorothea's JACOB STRADER
26/02/2007 5:32 pm
Thank Our Bud Barney
Please thank Barney, over in the drafting shop of the RH Shipyard. You may remember him... Barney Google. He is so dependable that whenever we want to find something we ask him.. It getting so we now call it "Googling". That's where, we believe, the expression Google originated- meaning to find.
26/02/2007 5:35 pm
That would make for a great future "Picture of the Week".
Shipyard Sam;3981 wrote: Here's an 1853, or so, photograph said to be taken at the Cincy yard where the STRADER was built. The link will take you as close-up as you will ever get. It does looks like she was fired from aft end of the boiler in this shot.
26/02/2007 6:14 pm
That's the picture I have. Looks like it could have been done from the photo, they are the same view.
27/02/2007 4:14 am
Let's not forget that the real credit goes to Captain Fred Way....again.
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27/02/2007 5:43 pm
Hi, Judy, Sam and gang:
Judy, thanks for reminding us of your earlier posting of Dorothy Frye's magnificent painting of the Str. JACOB STRADER.
Early yesterday evening I happened to drive down Eastern Ave. here on the way to a meeting in town. I didn't have a copy of the STRADER photo Sam posted but did slow down while driving and examined the hills in the back ground of the old photo. Lots of changes since the 1850s but the crest of the hill is about the same. All of the buildings on shore long gone with the building of Columbia Parkway, Eastern Ave. and the rail tracks. I'd opine the photo was taken of the boat laid just below and in the general area of present day Collins Ave. and Torrence Parkway west of St. Rose church.
Much building and gentrification now with new condos and apartments. Former sites of the old ship yards that once dotted the shore for several miles now being reclaimed and filled with tons of soil to bring the level up for new construction. My neighbor is a member of the metal detection club here and said they were sleuthing all of those old sites with interesting 'discoveries' in the dirt until the construction crews encouraged them to move on.
Cheers,
R. Dale Flick
27/02/2007 8:56 pm
incredible photo
Thanks for sharing, Shipyard Sam.
For quite a while I was not able to even find the collection again on the Ohiolink-webside. Back then I searched the web for photographs of Natchez VI showing the stern of the boat and came across Fred Way`s collection. Just recently I tried to find it but totally lost track.
Also wonderful pictures of Thompson Dean etc. The zoom is close to a time machine.
Bernd